Oswald's colleague Buell Frazier said he saw Oswald leave the building a few minutes after the shooting, but thought nothing of it. Another piece of inculpatory evidence is Oswald's presence in a 2nd floor interior lunchroom moments after the shooting. If he were innocent he more than likely would have watched the motorcade like everyone else. After seeing what happened he would not be loitering alone inside the building; he'd be discussing it with his colleagues, as astonished as everyone else about what they'd just witnessed. He identified himself right off the bat by his presence in the lunchroom and then by his absence during an employee roll call shortly after the shooting. He was apparently the only person missing. People see a conspiracy here because they WANT to see one, not because that's where the evidence leads. What generates conspiracy theories is motivated reasoning buttressed by willful denial and confirmation bias.
The continuing heat and fascination with something that happened over 60 years ago is in itself fascinating. Not sure what the point is. Pretty much everyone involved has left the planet.
Oswald never even claimed to be outside during his interrogation - he said he was indoors in the lunchroom! One might think, if "Prayer Man" was who Stone/Luna think he was, that guy might, just might have mentioned it when being held for murdering the President.
Mr. Posner, you and I have probably forgotten more than Luna knows. She is not credible. Many things are hard to reconcile, and now this about Oliver Stone. It is evidence of one thing. Hollywood, and film makers, became an institution. The Mob became an institution. So did sports, which is killing us. And everything run by military forces.
Another thought. If 'Prayer Man' is Oswald, and Baker is running into the TSBD, does that mean Stone/Luna are suggesting that Oswald then somehow ran PAST Baker and Truly in order for those two to run into him in the second floor lunchroom? Make it make sense!
Two people who are really popularizing JFK conspiracy theories are Eric Hunley and Mark Groubert with their America's Untold Stories videos. They do a really good job of digging up historic articles and pictures. Groubert worked for National Lampoon and The Weekly World News, so I sometimes wonder if he's pulling our legs. They really don't like you!
Luna is correct, there were two shooters, but nothing to do with the grassy knoll. Oswald hit twice with full metal jacket bullets. Kennedy could have survived those. The next bullet came from an FBI shooter in a following car. This bullet was a typical FBI hollow nose bullet, entering the back of his head and blowing out his right skull. This can be seen on the Zapruder film. The only complete investigation ever done was by a retired police detective, Colen McClaren. Check out his book, “JFK the Smoking Gun.” The sad truth is the CIA planned the hit and the FBI did the dirty work.
1) The follow-up car was populated with Secret Service agents, not FBI agents.
2) The claim by the originator of the theory is the head shot was an accidental discharge, not a deliberate one.
3) The originator of the theory is not Colin McClaren, but Howard Donahue. Bonar Menninger wrote a book about Donahue's theory published in 1992 called Mortal Error.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Error
4) The FBI didn't have any personnel in Dealey Plaza at the time of the shooting. There is no evidence linking the CIA or the FBI to the assassination.
5) The only shooter the known evidence points to is Lee Harvey Oswald. There is no evidence for shots from a different weapon.
JFK only had two bullet wounds. One in his upper back that exited the neck and went on to hit Connally, and another that hit JFK in the head. The vast majority of the witnesses (about 90%) heard three shots. There were three shells recovered from the Texas School Book Depository's 6th floor southeast corner window (AKA "the sniper's nest"). One nearly whole bullet - the one that hit both men - was recovered in Parkland Hospital, and two large fragments were recovered from the limo (both fragments, the nearly whole bullet, and all three shells were determined ballistically to have been fired from Oswald's weapon, to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world). The two large fragments are the remnants of the shot from Oswald that hit JFK in the head. There is no evidence that points back to the Secret Service firing a shot. In fact, SS agent George Hickey sued and reached a settlement against the publisher for an undisclosed sum.
That's a corruption of the Bonar Menninger/Howard Donahue assertion that the Secret Service agent who is standing behind Clint Hill in the Altgens photo accidentally discharged his BAR a few seconds later.
You talk about "a following car." How far back was it following? To my knowledge, the only government agents at all close to the presidential limousine were Secret Service. Hey, lady, the original nuts want their conspiracy idea back!
What, I ask, has gone WRONG with this country that we must filch our conspiracy theories now?! A new book has been published which asserts that The Beatles' music was written for them by The Tavistock Institute. This is a reworking of a John Birch Society assertion in the 1960s that The Beatles' music was written for them by the Soviet Union.
It is with deep foreboding that I contemplate that America is so creatively parched that we must make cheap knockoffs of the conspiracy theories hatched by our lunatic national forebears of a half century ago.
Sue, I know the facts. You don't. The facts are there. Read Gerald Posner's book. Read Vincent Bugliosi's “Reclaiming History.” Read Jean Davison's brilliant book, “Oswald's Game.” ( It's now out of print, but you can get a used copy easily. ) Other excellent ones are “Mrs Paine's Garage,” by Thomas Mallon, and “JFK Assassination Logic,” by John McAdams.
You can't know about Oswald as a person without realizing that he was an oddball sociopath waiting to act out. He'd tried the previous Spring, when using the same rifle with which he later killed JFK, he came close to killing Edwin Walker. And what was his defection to the Soviet Union in 1959 if not the act of an attention craving sociopath?
Take a look at his mugshots, made by the Dallas Police shortly after midnight on November 23. What do you see in his countenance? As Ruth Paine has said, he was in his element.
Thank you for your thoughts! I am enjoying your book about JFK. Perhaps you would like to work on a short story subject sometime? Being inspired by your work, I had a question: "How did it happen America became a police state?" As you know, assassinations are a tool of those kind of systems. Did this happen like little cat paws sneaking up on us, as in the Oswald drama, or more blatantly?
What a total crock. If the purported “evidence” is that photo, one would have to be a total conspiracist with bad eyesight to think the blurry image was Oswald. It doesn’t resemble him even with this second gen photo. Luna is an extreme disappointment and is not forthcoming with telling the public with whom she is collaborating with. Why? Why is she so enthralled with Oliver Stone? She has also pre-judged this event with her 2-shooter theory as absolute truth before the evidence has been released. But wait! That information has already been released and known to those of us who have been paying attention. In the end Luna is a conspiracist and plain stupid. Whatever she comes up with in the event there’s an end to this won’t amount to a hill of beans.
The degree to which Trump supporters/enablers/sycophants will humiliate themselves apparently knows no bounds. I am hopeful that we will one day get an explanation for this, other than they are profoundly troubled individuals.
My son pointed me to this video, which discusses some of this. I haven't finished watching, but it is quite well done:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u7euN1HTuU
It's great! I just put it up on Substack as a note. Thanks for the headsup about it. Thank your son
These conspiracy theorists can never explain why Oswald killed Officer Tippit or why he was arrested carrying the handgun used to kill Officer Tippit.
Oswald was sent from the ACAB future.
Sad to see people like Oliver Stone being use as any sort of authority for a fact based investigation of this story.
He made a movie, loosely based on a crackpot theory that was disproved decades ago and anyone even remotely credible gave up on this theory.
Zero evidence in in any of the newly released (or long ago released) documents.
Unbelievable (literally). But what do these posers have to gain from this charade? Is it just a way to divert attention from real events?
Oswald's colleague Buell Frazier said he saw Oswald leave the building a few minutes after the shooting, but thought nothing of it. Another piece of inculpatory evidence is Oswald's presence in a 2nd floor interior lunchroom moments after the shooting. If he were innocent he more than likely would have watched the motorcade like everyone else. After seeing what happened he would not be loitering alone inside the building; he'd be discussing it with his colleagues, as astonished as everyone else about what they'd just witnessed. He identified himself right off the bat by his presence in the lunchroom and then by his absence during an employee roll call shortly after the shooting. He was apparently the only person missing. People see a conspiracy here because they WANT to see one, not because that's where the evidence leads. What generates conspiracy theories is motivated reasoning buttressed by willful denial and confirmation bias.
The continuing heat and fascination with something that happened over 60 years ago is in itself fascinating. Not sure what the point is. Pretty much everyone involved has left the planet.
Oswald never even claimed to be outside during his interrogation - he said he was indoors in the lunchroom! One might think, if "Prayer Man" was who Stone/Luna think he was, that guy might, just might have mentioned it when being held for murdering the President.
Mr. Posner, you and I have probably forgotten more than Luna knows. She is not credible. Many things are hard to reconcile, and now this about Oliver Stone. It is evidence of one thing. Hollywood, and film makers, became an institution. The Mob became an institution. So did sports, which is killing us. And everything run by military forces.
Another thought. If 'Prayer Man' is Oswald, and Baker is running into the TSBD, does that mean Stone/Luna are suggesting that Oswald then somehow ran PAST Baker and Truly in order for those two to run into him in the second floor lunchroom? Make it make sense!
Two people who are really popularizing JFK conspiracy theories are Eric Hunley and Mark Groubert with their America's Untold Stories videos. They do a really good job of digging up historic articles and pictures. Groubert worked for National Lampoon and The Weekly World News, so I sometimes wonder if he's pulling our legs. They really don't like you!
Luna is correct, there were two shooters, but nothing to do with the grassy knoll. Oswald hit twice with full metal jacket bullets. Kennedy could have survived those. The next bullet came from an FBI shooter in a following car. This bullet was a typical FBI hollow nose bullet, entering the back of his head and blowing out his right skull. This can be seen on the Zapruder film. The only complete investigation ever done was by a retired police detective, Colen McClaren. Check out his book, “JFK the Smoking Gun.” The sad truth is the CIA planned the hit and the FBI did the dirty work.
Sue,
You are wrong on a number of points.
1) The follow-up car was populated with Secret Service agents, not FBI agents.
2) The claim by the originator of the theory is the head shot was an accidental discharge, not a deliberate one.
3) The originator of the theory is not Colin McClaren, but Howard Donahue. Bonar Menninger wrote a book about Donahue's theory published in 1992 called Mortal Error.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Error
4) The FBI didn't have any personnel in Dealey Plaza at the time of the shooting. There is no evidence linking the CIA or the FBI to the assassination.
5) The only shooter the known evidence points to is Lee Harvey Oswald. There is no evidence for shots from a different weapon.
Sorry. But those are the facts.
Hank
Sue,
JFK only had two bullet wounds. One in his upper back that exited the neck and went on to hit Connally, and another that hit JFK in the head. The vast majority of the witnesses (about 90%) heard three shots. There were three shells recovered from the Texas School Book Depository's 6th floor southeast corner window (AKA "the sniper's nest"). One nearly whole bullet - the one that hit both men - was recovered in Parkland Hospital, and two large fragments were recovered from the limo (both fragments, the nearly whole bullet, and all three shells were determined ballistically to have been fired from Oswald's weapon, to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world). The two large fragments are the remnants of the shot from Oswald that hit JFK in the head. There is no evidence that points back to the Secret Service firing a shot. In fact, SS agent George Hickey sued and reached a settlement against the publisher for an undisclosed sum.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/1998/02/03/lawsuit-is-settled-in-favor-of-former-secret-service-agent-book-claimed-man-accidentally-fired-bullet-that-killed-kennedy/
That's a corruption of the Bonar Menninger/Howard Donahue assertion that the Secret Service agent who is standing behind Clint Hill in the Altgens photo accidentally discharged his BAR a few seconds later.
You talk about "a following car." How far back was it following? To my knowledge, the only government agents at all close to the presidential limousine were Secret Service. Hey, lady, the original nuts want their conspiracy idea back!
What, I ask, has gone WRONG with this country that we must filch our conspiracy theories now?! A new book has been published which asserts that The Beatles' music was written for them by The Tavistock Institute. This is a reworking of a John Birch Society assertion in the 1960s that The Beatles' music was written for them by the Soviet Union.
It is with deep foreboding that I contemplate that America is so creatively parched that we must make cheap knockoffs of the conspiracy theories hatched by our lunatic national forebears of a half century ago.
Read the book written by a veteran inveatigator before you make accusations about conspiracies. “JFK the Smoking Gun”. Get educated with facts.
Sue, I know the facts. You don't. The facts are there. Read Gerald Posner's book. Read Vincent Bugliosi's “Reclaiming History.” Read Jean Davison's brilliant book, “Oswald's Game.” ( It's now out of print, but you can get a used copy easily. ) Other excellent ones are “Mrs Paine's Garage,” by Thomas Mallon, and “JFK Assassination Logic,” by John McAdams.
You can't know about Oswald as a person without realizing that he was an oddball sociopath waiting to act out. He'd tried the previous Spring, when using the same rifle with which he later killed JFK, he came close to killing Edwin Walker. And what was his defection to the Soviet Union in 1959 if not the act of an attention craving sociopath?
Take a look at his mugshots, made by the Dallas Police shortly after midnight on November 23. What do you see in his countenance? As Ruth Paine has said, he was in his element.
Thank you for your thoughts! I am enjoying your book about JFK. Perhaps you would like to work on a short story subject sometime? Being inspired by your work, I had a question: "How did it happen America became a police state?" As you know, assassinations are a tool of those kind of systems. Did this happen like little cat paws sneaking up on us, as in the Oswald drama, or more blatantly?
What a total crock. If the purported “evidence” is that photo, one would have to be a total conspiracist with bad eyesight to think the blurry image was Oswald. It doesn’t resemble him even with this second gen photo. Luna is an extreme disappointment and is not forthcoming with telling the public with whom she is collaborating with. Why? Why is she so enthralled with Oliver Stone? She has also pre-judged this event with her 2-shooter theory as absolute truth before the evidence has been released. But wait! That information has already been released and known to those of us who have been paying attention. In the end Luna is a conspiracist and plain stupid. Whatever she comes up with in the event there’s an end to this won’t amount to a hill of beans.
https://youtu.be/6E7whYKV194?si=HE4nJpRKJVoMe8bH
The degree to which Trump supporters/enablers/sycophants will humiliate themselves apparently knows no bounds. I am hopeful that we will one day get an explanation for this, other than they are profoundly troubled individuals.